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Rules Update Feedback

by Diana » February 09, 2018 11:55 AM

Last Edited: February 10, 2018 02:43 AM

Hello again, everyone, it's time for some feedback! We're updating our Terms of Service to include specific rules about cross-site interactions and multiple accounts. Please take a look at the changes detailed here, or visit the Terms of Service page to familiarize yourself with our site rules once more!

Posted by: 'Terms of Service'

Links to Other Sites

Users often interact across multiple sites on the internet (“Cross-Site Interactions”), such as making virtual trades or exchanging messages. Cross-Site Interactions are not prohibited, but are not under Mythmakers’ control. Accordingly, we are not responsible for any issues that arise due to these interactions.

Multiple Accounts

A single user may have multiple accounts. This rule will be changing in 2018 with an Announcement made on the Forums. These accounts may not be used to exploit features that unfairly favor the user over singular accounts, including Cheers on the Forums, Kith Activity rewards, and bonus referral Gems. At Mythmakers’ sole discretion, any accounts found exploiting these features may be locked at any time, then deleted after an investigation period of no less than one week. Permitted uses of multiple accounts include beta testing features, storing items and currency, posting on the Forums, playing Games, Cooking, Tailoring, and completing Quests.


If you have any questions or concerns, we've added a Question & Answer to the FAQ page, and have this Feedback thread open for further comments. Please let us know what you think!

Posted by: 'FAQ'
Question: Can I trade things on Tattered Weave for things on another website?
Answer: We do not prohibit any cross-site trades; however we will not enforce any of these cross-site trades. The Trade and Marketplace system on Tattered Weave are our way of ensuring that exchanges work correctly for both parties on our site, and we cannot guarantee any exchange made outside of those features. Please remember to be careful with your trust!


Thank you all again for helping to make Tattered Weave the best it can be!
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Re: Rules Update Feedback

by Parda » February 09, 2018 12:04 PM

Oh! Can I ask something regarding multiple accounts and kith activities?

Say you have two accounts, both don't interact with each other. They're two separate accounts with their own kith, own avatar. They're just like two accounts of two separate users, except only one person is using both of them at the same time. Is it against the rules to use kith activities on both of them, if you're not sending anything to another account? Because I wouldn't consider that exploiting anything.
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Re: Rules Update Feedback

by Himochi » February 09, 2018 12:06 PM

Posted by: "Parda"

Oh! Can I ask something regarding multiple accounts and kith activities?

Say you have two accounts, both don't interact with each other. They're two separate accounts with their own kith, own avatar. They're just like two accounts of two separate users, except only one person is using both of them at the same time. Is it against the rules to use kith activities on both of them, if you're not sending anything to another account? Because I wouldn't consider that exploiting anything.


I was curious about this too! Sometimes I like to try new accounts from the start to test out how easy or difficult it is for newer players to get established, and Kith Activities definitely factor into that.
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Re: Rules Update Feedback

by Diana » February 09, 2018 12:10 PM

Last Edited: February 09, 2018 12:11 PM

Posted by: "Parda"

Say you have two accounts, both don't interact with each other. They're two separate accounts with their own kith, own avatar. They're just like two accounts of two separate users, except only one person is using both of them at the same time. Is it against the rules to use kith activities on both of them, if you're not sending anything to another account? Because I wouldn't consider that exploiting anything.

[@Parda]
I would say that's similar to having a sibling/roommate/etc. who shares the same IP - so long as you're not using the account to exploit the features, that's fine.

In the future we'll be setting up automatic monitoring to track when accounts are funneling resources (be it shards, gems, items, kith) in an exploitive way, and then having a human review those reports to determine when someone is cheating the system. The way you're using the accounts wouldn't even register! :)
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Re: Rules Update Feedback

by CloudedOtter » February 09, 2018 12:27 PM

Some further thoughts on multiple accounts:

1. What if, say, someone creates like five alt accounts solely for the sake of farming the gem daily? Or ten? Or twenty? Should the gem daily be added to the list of "hey, do not exploit these things?"

Likewise, would it help to have explicit examples of exploiting? For example, along with "do not exploit Cheers, Kith Activities, or referral gems," something like "examples of exploiting: using multiple accounts to cheer in contests, funneling rewards from Kith Activities onto other accounts, setting your main account as a referral for an alt and purchasing gems on your alt for referral bonuses." Sometimes these things can be fuzzy, even the ones that seem incredibly obvious.

2. To reduce confusion/prevent abuse, especially when it comes to forum things, maybe require alt accounts to have a label saying what their main account is? Just like a line in the profile field or something.

3. this is more of a community PSA than a feedback but reminder to anyone who wants to cross-site trade to CHECK THE TOS ON THE OTHER SITE TOO.

For example, Flight Rising's been brought up a few times. People have said (myself included, I'll admit) that their only clause is that the other site should be okay with it, but that's not the case. There's some additional clauses, including one that says that you may not do cross-site trades with beta sites.
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Re: Rules Update Feedback

by Dread » February 09, 2018 12:33 PM

Oh good I am very glad both of these will be clarified! I know I've always been very hesitant about the cross-site trading thing so I'm glad to see it being added!
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Re: Rules Update Feedback

by Parda » February 09, 2018 12:44 PM

Posted by: "Diana"

Posted by: "Parda"

Say you have two accounts, both don't interact with each other. They're two separate accounts with their own kith, own avatar. They're just like two accounts of two separate users, except only one person is using both of them at the same time. Is it against the rules to use kith activities on both of them, if you're not sending anything to another account? Because I wouldn't consider that exploiting anything.

I would say that's similar to having a sibling/roommate/etc. who shares the same IP - so long as you're not using the account to exploit the features, that's fine.

In the future we'll be setting up automatic monitoring to track when accounts are funneling resources (be it shards, gems, items, kith) in an exploitive way, and then having a human review those reports to determine when someone is cheating the system. The way you're using the accounts wouldn't even register! :)

Ah I see! Thank you :D
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Re: Rules Update Feedback

by Diana » February 09, 2018 12:50 PM

Last Edited: February 09, 2018 12:50 PM

Posted by: "CloudedOtter"

1. What if, say, someone creates like five alt accounts solely for the sake of farming the gem daily? Or ten? Or twenty? Should the gem daily be added to the list of "hey, do not exploit these things?"

[@CloudedOtter]
Managing the accounts necessary to make this exploit feasible seems like a stretch to me, but anything being funneled from a bunch of accounts toward a main account will be covered in the automatic reports coming in the future. Purposefully using multiple accounts to improve your main account is what would be against the rules.

Posted by: "CloudedOtter"

Likewise, would it help to have explicit examples of exploiting? For example, along with "do not exploit Cheers, Kith Activities, or referral gems," something like "examples of exploiting: using multiple accounts to cheer in contests, funneling rewards from Kith Activities onto other accounts, setting your main account as a referral for an alt and purchasing gems on your alt for referral bonuses." Sometimes these things can be fuzzy, even the ones that seem incredibly obvious.

We prefer to keep the Terms of Service page short and easy to read through and understand, as a means of encouraging our users to actually read it instead of skipping over it because it's too much to read in one go.

If you think a list of examples would help, I could add it to the FAQ page.

I personally think it becomes very obvious when someone is using multiple accounts for the sake of exploits, like farming Shards/Gems/items or giving extra Cheers to entries. I find it hard to imagine someone completely innocent exploiting the system.

Posted by: "CloudedOtter"

2. To reduce confusion/prevent abuse, especially when it comes to forum things, maybe require alt accounts to have a label saying what their main account is? Just like a line in the profile field or something.

I don't see this as necessary, no. It's similar to having a sibling/roommate who also plays; you don't need to specifically disclaim that you share an IP. What's important is that you aren't using other accounts to boost a main account.
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Re: Rules Update Feedback

by Eevie » February 09, 2018 01:18 PM

Thank you for making these changes clear and transparent. It's refreshing to not have to reread a whole EULA or TOS when there is a modification or update. Also thanks for answering questions!
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Re: Rules Update Feedback

by ariannx » February 09, 2018 02:54 PM

Last Edited: February 09, 2018 02:57 PM

I've been playing World of Warcraft (WoW) for the last 9.5 years. As a guildmaster, I've had to deal with some bad behavior. I have a few observations. Grinding rep / levels / currency is time intensive, so some people go to other sites for rep, leveling, and or currency. This gave the other site access to various levels of WoW account access. Their accounts usually got hacked. These are the infamous "gold farmers" which Brock Pierce and Steve "Breitbart" Bannon hired to exploit players.

Gullible guildies went to these sites to buy in-game currency with parent's credit cards. The gold farmers used their card info to commit fraud. One guildie told me his parents wouldn't let him play WoW anymore, because of that. The other hacked guildie had his WoW account banned, so he quit WoW. The third kid said the hack was intermittent and it was too much trouble to unhack his account. I demoted his toons so they no longer had access to the guild Vault, because the hackers were stealing a lot of gear from the vault to sell to other players. The guildie and his guildie friends rage quit and took their hacked account(s) to another guild. Lose-lose for everyone. This was my nightmare for 3 years until WoW offered the login authenticator.

IMHO, Cross site trading should not be allowed. Once TW is out of beta, the gold farmers will know this site exists. I love this site and don't want anything bad to happen. :--)

P.S. the gold farmers cloned expensive weapons and gear to sell in-game. Because there was no trail of goods from multiple accounts to a single account, the cloners were hard to find. I believe this works around Diane's strategy for identifying undesirable account activity through Trades. I do not condemn anything before it's tried, but I've seen years of bad behavior and hacker workarounds. (Gets off soapbox)
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Re: Rules Update Feedback

by Diana » February 09, 2018 04:18 PM

[@ariannx] I'm not sure the two are comparable situations? If anyone is cloning items/shards or funneling them into other accounts they will be locked and banned. In my experience, people who do that will also try regardless of what the rules state - I mean, they stole credit card information.
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